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I would like to debate the advantages and disadvantages of christianity and athiesm. I will start giving my examples. When u pick on to give an example about assume it is true...like assume christianity is true when giving its advantages but that it is false when giving its disadvantages. Same with athiesm.

Advantages: Christianity (if christianity is true) - Get to go to heaven and live a life enriched with the holy spirit
Athiesm (if athiesm is true) - Get to live a more rebillious lifestyle with less rules (less morals and values and such)...(i guess, im not real familiar)

Disadvantages: Christianity(if athiesm is true) - spend your life believing in a false god, while living life with good morals and values
Athiesm (if christianity is true) - live a life of emptiness w/o meaning and go to hell


as u can see the top is the very best and the bottom is the very worst...just like to point that out

like i said when referring to the disadvantages i believed both items were not true and with the positives i believed both were true

EDIT: fuck it....i made a weak attempt to start another religious debate...just ignore this opening post and start debating.
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What if you don't believe in God, and lets say you live a life helping others. Donating to charities and raising your children with good ethics and morals. Yoou lvoe your wife till the day she dies and always be faithful to her.

Would you go to hell?

Would a God of love and forgiveness send to a place of eternal damnation to be tortured and tormented, wheer you would be burned among the flames for the rest of eternity?

What if a guy cheats on his wife, steals from the companies huge bank account, but goes to chuch every saturday and prey's before every meal. Would he go to heaven?

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I can spin it around just as bad for religion, buddy.

Religion: Having to follow a strict set of rules, never really getting the chance to think, and living in fear of being punished eternally by a "loving" God.

Atheism: Free to make your own morality, your own judgements, living life for YOURSELF and not for some judgemental God.


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What if you don't believe in God, and lets say you live a life helping others. Donating to charities and raising your children with good ethics and morals. Yoou lvoe your wife till the day she dies and always be faithful to her.

Would you go to hell?

Would a God of love and forgiveness send to a place of eternal damnation to be tortured and tormented, wheer you would be burned among the flames for the rest of eternity?

What if a guy cheats on his wife, steals from the companies huge bank account, but goes to chuch every saturday and prey's before every meal. Would he go to heaven?

you made a good point...im often asked this in various debates.

however, if a guy cheats on your wife and does all of that other stuff then he is probably not a full blown christian.

EVEN IF A GUY LIVES A LOVING LIFE HE STILL HAS SINNED. Every single person on this earth has sinned and should be sent to hell for it. However god set up a system that i will explain:

You MUST confess your sins to god, ask the lord for forgiveness, believe that jesus died on the cross for u and try your best to live your life in his image...if u do not do that...then...im sorry but u go to hell... thats just how it is
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I can spin it around just as bad for religion, buddy.

Religion: Having to follow a strict set of rules, never really getting the chance to think, and living in fear of being punished eternally by a "loving" God.

Atheism: Free to make your own morality, your own judgements, living life for YOURSELF and not for some judgemental God.

i was just stating the way that i viewed this whole situation...

just like u are now...

u view christianity as a strict set of rules and i view it as a good set of morals and values that help anybody...christians or not live a better life
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you made a good point...im often asked this in various debates.

however, if a guy cheats on your wife and does all of that other stuff then he is probably not a full blown christian.

EVEN IF A GUY LIVES A LOVING LIFE HE STILL HAS SINNED. Every single person on this earth has sinned and should be sent to hell for it. However god set up a system that i will explain:

You MUST confess your sins to god, ask the lord for forgiveness, believe that jesus died on the cross for u and try your best to live your life in his image...if u do not do that...then...im sorry but u go to hell... thats just how it is

So you are saying is that I could lie cheat and steal as long as I ask forgiveness form God?

But if I don't believe in God and I lead an examplarary life I would still go to hell?

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Just because you dont believe in a God, it doesn't make one a bad person, a good set of morals are all that anyone should need. I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that Relgion has killed more people than anything else, it has started more wars than anything else and to be honest this is what I believe religion is for...

Before man had the knowledge to explain how things work, he needed an excuse to explain it, (people ARE afraid of things that they cannot explain). People believed that a headache was caused by God as a punishment or bad spirtits whitin the head, know we all know that this explanation is not true, headaches are generally caused by crainial pressure, or expansion and desaturation of the brain (for example after a night drinking the alcohol causes the body to be de-hydrated, thus causing the brain to shrink therefore causing a headache).

Secondly why, if a God was 'here' would he allow suffering? Because if he is as good as people believe he is than he wouldn't allow it.

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I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that Relgion has killed more people than anything else, it has started more wars than anything else and to be honest this is what I believe religion is for....
Actually religion has done no such thing. Men in general are responsible for that. Some are fanatics and others were just power hungry people. They just claim it's in the name of religion so they can manipulate others into dying for what they believe.

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I would like to debate the advantages and disadvantages of christianity and athiesm. I will start giving my examples. When u pick on to give an example about assume it is true...like assume christianity is true when giving its advantages but that it is false when giving its disadvantages. Same with athiesm.

Advantages: Christianity - Get to go to heaven and live a life enriched with the holy spirit
Athiesm - Get to live a more rebillious lifestyle with less rules (less morals and values and such)...(i guess, im not real familiar)

Disadvantages: Christianity - spend your life believing in a false god, while living life with good morals and values
Athiesm - live a life of emptiness w/o meaning and go to hell


as u can see the best is the very best and the bottom is the very worst...just like to point that out

like i said when referring to the disadvantages i believed both items were not true and with the positives i believed both were true
Revalation...as a fellow Christian...I have to ask you to please stop.

Please.

I'm not asking you to stop witnessing. But I am asking you to put a pause on it until you educate yourself.

The reason I ask you to do so, is because here...you are facing people who are MUCH more intelligent than you with questions that are meant for 8th graders. It's rather demeaning to both Christianity (through your misrepresentation of it) and yourself/your credibility for knowing so little about the outside world.

While your intentions are good...and yes...you have helped plant the seed(s) for God to help grow...but beyond that...you're doing nothing but hurting your own cause.

I don't ask this of you to try and discourage you...but to encourage you to do more research on this debate. You'll find (especially here) that we have dealt with many of your arguments, specifically already, and find your repitition of said topics to be somewhat tiresome.

I'm not trying to say that mine are perfect either...but I AM saying that a few of your posts have been repititions of other less educated posts. This thread could be considered one of them. (See also The Pascal's Wager thread.)

Please look up some credible sources, and start citing information...and you might find that a few of your posts are understood better. Also, people might actually start responding in the positive to you.

Other than that...it seems too much like pointless religious banter that any of us could easily find on TBN. We're looking for educated debate.
Please consider this. Thanks.
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Holy Crap. (and I emphsize the crap part)

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Atheism - not a life without morals, HA. Mor like . . An unbiased life without other people telling you how to live it. Being able to figure right and wrong out on your own without it shoveled down your throat. Walking down the street without your imaginary friend keeping you from being hit by a car. Looking at life objectively with no awnsers to find out your own rather than with all the awnsers given to you based on nothing. The ability to look at all people of the world equally with their own faults and own greatness not judging them based on what invisible man they pray to. The ability to see the world as its own being without a script to follow. To act on your own with no orders from above. To be able to focus totally on making a life better for yourself and your's rather than worrying about appeasing a man that has never sat at your dinner table first.

And the ability to recognize it when someone has been brainwashed and needs to read a little bit more and then walk away.


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