Best Montages in the past 5 years?

Never thought I would see someone mention a video of mine in a thread like this lol. Thanks :)

Also, I wasn't really around during the H2 montage scene so my opinion on H2 tages isn't great but illcomposed is one of the best H2 tages I've ever seen. The music, gameplay, and flow of the video is fantastic. Completely forgot about it :/
It's sad that i am not always able to give good and detailed feedback because of my poor english knowledge. But i will try to improve my comments and thoughts - especially for the new THF Montage Contest.

That's the spirit Deany. And I'm sure you'd do a good job. Honesty will get you a long way. 

Personally, I find it difficult to be critical in some cases. Especially towards people editing for me, since I tend to love whatever they are doing for me without being susceptible for any flaws there might be. 

On the other hand, whenever I do  try to be critical, people will often just look at me weird, wondering why I decided to go so indepth. I guess another issue is to know exactly who's in need of some actual criticism, and who would rather get a 'good job'. It can be tricky to tell the two apart. 

 

Alright, i feel bad now because i gave your 4th and Final the "good job" treatment with only 1 criticism. I'll take a real deep look at it later today and take my time with my critique. I believe a montage like this where a lot of time and work was put into it deserves a good honest critique with a similar effort. Hopefully i can deliver a good one for you, Dutchy.

Hahaha oh no man, I don't mind at all. Like I said you had a really long list of videos to critique on so I understand. 

If you want, you could always critique Drive 4 on it's flow and syncing.  Although I had 0 intention to make it some ground breaking video in terms of visual effects/transitions, I did try to step up my game for generating a solid overall flow  with coherent syncing. So regarding those two things you could really help me out a lot for future video's. But please don't feel obligated to do so though. 

I know you already have a very extensive list to go through, but I have to mention these videos as well. I wouldn't post more videos if I didn't think they were worth your time, so I hope you get to them before you're burnt out and leave for another 5 years.


A Halo: Reach 1v1 montage, which sounds kind of bizarre when you think about it, but this video is incredibly good. I still remember watching this for the first time and being blown away by Chief Dan Bro's knowledge of the game, and Chaos did a fantastic job with the editing as well. One of a kind video.


Oh man, this is a piece of work. The story behind Hwnt is kind of bittersweet when we look back at it, because he left the Halo community to make Minecraft videos, and almost completely deleted his entire history of Halo content in the process (despite it being fucking amazing). For some reason, he just changed his mind about everything he had done and wanted to forget Halo when he made the transition. The surprising part is his Minecraft content actually made him blow up on YouTube; he is somewhat of a YouTube celebrity now. He has since stopped doing Minecraft, but as we speak his channel has nearly 650,000 subscribers. Search "Steven Suptic" if you want to check him out.

Anyway, the video is one of his best. It was a birthday present for a good friend of his, and I really think you'll appreciate the way he makes it work as a single entity with 3 very different songs. I would love to see him make another Halo montage, but I doubt it'll ever happen.


Lastly, Ishii's 8th (!!) Halo 3 Montage. You may have missed his entire selection of videos, but this one is the only one you really have to watch to get to know him. I feel like you may be put off from it simply due to it being split up into 4 parts (different montages, as you put it before), but at least he is honest about it and tells you when he makes the switches. It might actually make it easier for you to watch, since you can just stop after one part and leave the rest for later. It's still worth mentioning, and I don't know how I forgot it when I made my first post.

Marksman, getting me all caught up with H3 montages. 

Makes me want to edit one.

I know you already have a very extensive list to go through, but I have to mention these videos as well. I wouldn't post more videos if I didn't think they were worth your time, so I hope you get to them before you're burnt out and leave for another 5 years.



Hahaha.
 



Lastly, Ishii's 8th (!!) Halo 3 Montage. You may have missed his entire selection of videos, but this one is the only one you really have to watch to get to know him. I feel like you may be put off from it simply due to it being split up into 4 parts (different montages, as you put it before), but at least he is honest about it and tells you when he makes the switches. It might actually make it easier for you to watch, since you can just stop after one part and leave the rest for later. It's still worth mentioning, and I don't know how I forgot it when I made my first post.

This is something i really want to talk about actually and explain fully. I'll talk about this later tonight in detail.

That's alright man! Do only what you can. I appreciate your comments on nearly everything I've done for the last 6 months or so along with solid presence on others' stuff as well.
I would provide clips for you if you want to.
I'm tempted

Dlongo H3M -

  • It's starting to feel like I've watched multiple montages in the same video; they just have the same color grading. After each song we get a pause, black screen, and then a new song starts and another chapter montage begins. Each part starts and ends with a few cinematic shots (the theater usage in this montage is great) then turns to the gameplay the exact same way the previous part happened.

 

FatRat : H3M3

  • The gameplay after that brief pause, though. what. o.0 - Perfect flow. Music was perfect. Here is another one of my custom charts with how the music is in the video and how it should be here. Only complaint i have is the song transition here. Which isn't always a bad thing when you change a song like that, it's just so drastically different from the one before.

Lastly, Ishii's 8th (!!) Halo 3 Montage. You may have missed his entire selection of videos, but this one is the only one you really have to watch to get to know him. I feel like you may be put off from it simply due to it being split up into 4 parts (different montages, as you put it before), but at least he is honest about it and tells you when he makes the switches. It might actually make it easier for you to watch, since you can just stop after one part and leave the rest for later. It's still worth mentioning, and I don't know how I forgot it when I made my first post.

Flow:

An essay on pace, music, and the timeline of a montage.

In regards to the posts above, I've been talking a lot about flow  in my critiques and i think

it's time i further explained it clearly so people don't get the wrong idea.

 

Soon to be pasted here. W.I.P.

 

UPDATE: This is a 4 part essay and i'm only done with two parts. It's already 800 words long.

Flow:
An essay on pace, music, and the timeline of a montage.

 

Part 1 : Music
  • This is hard for most people. Everyone has favorite songs they love to use, but we mustn’t use them every time. Don't fall into the trap of thinking “i love this song, it would be great in a montage.” It's always tricky to mend songs together that are completely different. The first and final songs can be different, but the song(s) between them need to be similar to both of the other songs in order to mend them together, or this is where the editing comes in, find a way to mend two different sounding songs. When I’m watching a montage that uses multiple songs- I don't even want to notice that the song changed. Thus, the flow is held perfectly together. The music is crucial to the pace and in turn, is crucial to the flow. We sync our clips to the music. In a way, the music is the foundation to the montage that we build on. If our music isn't on point with where the flow should be, our montage could fall apart. Don't build your house on the sand; let it be rock solid. Here is how i envision the music being related to the flow of the montage. Side note: here is a song transition i did in one of my montages that i thought i mended really well. (Ignore the rest of the montage)

 

Part 2: Clips
  • The quality of the clips should be interchangeable with, and follow, the tempo of the music. Thus, we sync our clips with the music (obviously). Get us hooked at the beginning with a few nice clips, but save the best for last – the “climax” of the montage. The big build up. It's what we have all been waiting for. This is what the placement of the quality of clips should look like.

 

Part 3: Pace
  • Quality of clips + tempo of the music = the pace of the montage. Clips will always be synchronized to the music when it can be. That is just how editing works. If the tempo of the music is way too fast when it shouldn't be, our flow is completely thrown off. The tempo of our music should be the fastest during the climax of our montage. Hence, putting the best clips during this time now gives us a great climax. If our dullest/slowest songs is playing when our best clips are... goodbye flow/climax of our montage. Consider pace.

 

Part 4: Parting the Montage
  • There needs to be a reason for splitting a montage into parts. Is the montage way too long? If it's a 30 minute montage, I see the need for 4 parts. However, this doesn't mean that a “two part” montage isn't a good idea. If a montage is 15 minutes it might not be a bad idea for an “intermission.” These parts make or break the flow of the montage. If a montage is going to be broken down into parts, consider assigning a sub-title to each part, not so different than this essay. Lets say we have a 5 part montage. Before we decide this, let's consider each part to be a contributing and important factor to our flow and montage. We'll do this by providing a theme, and message to each part (this would fit a Hyena montage well too):
  • Part 1: “The Dream,” this is where our intro is, it gives us a taste of what the montage is going to be about. Part 2: “Hope,” Here we get a glimpse of the spectacular clips we are going to see later on during our climax of the montage. This is where the audience gets their hopes up. “This montage is going to be great.” Part 3: “The Fall,” It's important to not only to have our peaks, but our valleys as well. We don't want the entire montage to feel like we're on speed. It's okay to slow down toward the middle. Perhaps consider a different color grading technique for this part. Let if feel darker. Part 4: “Triumph,” This is where our climax lives. The big build up begins after part 3 and finishes with a bang. This part eventually starts to close the montage out. The audience want's to exit the window feeling satisfied, or whatever you want them to feel. Give this part a different color grade as well. How do you want them to feel? Alive? Maybe brighten the colors let a little more light in, etc. Finally, Part 5: ?. This part is for you to decide how you want the montage to end. What type of montage is this? Is it a final? Then maybe the montage should end with a bitter sweet feeling. Bitter, that there won't be any more of these, but sweet as in the montage was sweet.
  • In Dlongo | The Halo 3 Montage by zhestaL, we have a montage broken into parts, intentionally or not. Part 1: if it was labeled like we have done above (The Dream) it would fit perfect. In fact, this is a perfect part 1. It gives us a taste of the clips we are going to get without spoiling them. He cuts away from a few clips before we see the actual kill and maybe even the entire clip. It also gives us a taste of the editing we will see; great syncing and transitions. However, after part 2, we just end up receiving more of the same. It's extremely similar to part 1. We get the same feeling, color grading, etc. This is the flow of Dlongo. The montage is broken down into the same parts that tell us the exact same thing.
  • Ishii's Halo 3 Montage 8 is a victim to most of this above. Why is the montage broken into 4 parts? The answer is because four different songs are used. Each part gets a different song. Like I said before, it's very important that the music mends together nearly seamlessly, if there isn't a reason for the montage to be split into parts. Ishii's montage has a similar flow to Dlongo, but the music Ishii uses sets a different mood for each part, but is it the right mood?
  • Then, we have FatRat's Halo 3 Montage 3. This montage is broken down into two parts due to the “intermission.” This was a nice choice since we just went through a whole song with a fast pace and tempo. The intermission has slowed us down and given us a chance to think about what we just saw. Then, part 2 begins with an even faster pace than before. This is good since our climax happens in part 2. This montage has nearly perfect flow, the only down side is this music transition here. Now, it was almost nice. It was timed very, very well. He syncs the clips sniper shot with the music transition, and with a heavy beat in the music. Good sync, but the song was so vastly different than the one before, that it messed up the flow. We immediately notice the song change and it's very abrupt. This is what the flow of this montage looks like.

 

Concluding remarks

This is NOT meant to be a template. Be original. This is just a study on flow, not a guideline for everyone to follow. This is what I find to be real flow. Flow is everything to a montage. It's what makes us keep watching and keep interested. It keeps us from not clicking away. It's what keeps our attention through a 15 f-ing minute montage. Consider the flow of your next montage. This is how the flow looks with all of the above combined. Good luck, and happy editing.

 

References:

Dlongo | The Halo 3 Montage by zhestaL

Ishii :: Halo 3 Montage 8

FatRat :: Halo 3 Montage 3

 

Thank you so much to those who took the time to read the entire thing. I really think this could be helpful.

I'll take it all into consideration for my next video. Can't believe the time and effort you're putting into this comeback of yours, damn.

You do you, Marksman. This is just what i find to work well after watching about 8~ of the linked montages. Thanks for reading!

I have fun doing these things. It's very intellectually stimulating to keep the mind thinking like this.

cool to read your thoughts. Ive given a lot of feedback on song selection and build up that is rather close to what youve said here. Be mindful of your viewers experience, guide them through it with peaks and chills, be wary not to wear them down but make sure youve secured interest etc.

I didnt post it up because I dont think its the best montage of the last 5 years but my Final montage together with Dutchy and deathenator from 2011 had some thought put in it as far as that goes. Although I'd do it differently now, I think it's somewhat well done for its length and the level of clips I had as it kept everyone there and enjoying it for 10+ minutes. It' s called Fashionably late.

http://www.halo2forum.com/showthread.php?t=387135
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eQZGRjHVpI / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QAmo_V3mxg

​Really enjoying your write ups man, I remember Kraynium doing these huge reviews too I think.

I'll check it out! Really glad your enjoying reading these crazy things.
Great to have you back
It all depends on what kind of video you're making. Music selection to me is all about what songs you want to flow nicely together and how it would fit the gameplay. Almost like story boarding but more in a mental aspect. Just pick some songs you want to edit to; ones  you already have a visual for and make a dope video. It's all creative control and how well you can convey your thoughts into a project. Since I mostly do personal projects I just aim to convey my mood at the time or theme of the project throughout the video. Like, yeah you have to follow basic structure for the timeline but for creative projects I feel its better to just pick songs that you personally feel would be more enjoyable to make content with, tracks that fit the moments in the sequence. But for me I also like to have a bit of juxtaposition in my work so I like contrasting sounds that help make things like the intro/climax/resolution more distinct. It's almost like you shouldnt make too many rules for yourself, or that you should try to not be too conventional in thinking about what other people would like opposed to what you personally want because it obstructs your creative process. But that's just how I work, and Im still working on really defining my style before I surface my more technical abilities in my repertoire. Once you find your individual style and perfect it everything else just falls in place.
Agreed. Don't want people to mindlessly follow any sort of scheme! Even if i came out with a montage in a month i'm sure it would break some of what i said. It's perfectly fine to break the flow of a montage to insert a certain mood as long as you understand you are doing it and get yourself back on track. The flow should correspond with what you are trying to convey. The theme, mood, and tone of the montage has a big impact on the flow, but i still think the above aspect i stated directly relate to it.

Okay, heres an interesting exercise. Try to describe how you want your next montage to be by only using words. Write it down. Create your next montage only using words. Describe every single moment. How does it start; what message is it trying to convey about the rest of the montage? What clips do you want to strive for at this mark? How does each moment make you feel, how does it flow, what type of music does it have at each part and why, etc. I believe it's incredibly important to always be asking yourself question when editing a montage. What does this part in the timeline mean? Why am i using these transitions with this music at this point in the timeline? Does it sound amazing? Does it sound complete? Are you satisfied?

 

Anyway, this may seem silly, but it just popped into my head and i think it could be a very creative tool on helping someone idealize their next montage.

I'm gonna go cook some breakfast.

 

Edit: 

...Almost like story boarding but more in a mental aspect. Just pick some songs you want to edit to; ones  you already have a visual for and make a dope video. ...

Literal story boarding is actually a really good idea for theater/cinematic shots and how they transition to and from the actual clips.

"what message is it trying to convey about the rest of the montage?"

Asking myself that question the usual conclusion for me is:

add more teletubbies

6:50-7:20

Bohemian Rhapsody would be a perfect song for a 2 part montage.
Yeah but I'd only storyboard for a big project, typically I'll just lay out the music and how I want it to transition and everything else just falls in place. I've found that whatever project that I've done, the ones that I fully visualized and worked out plot wise before hand turned out a lot better as far as  carrying an actual cinematic or plot structure type feeling to it though, but it kind of goes without saying that the more time you spend on something the more polished it will be in the end.
Hi, my name is BX. Nice to meet you.

There were a lot of good videos posted in this thread.  ValiantCreations, I love the effort and work you're putting in right now.  I'm gonna suggest a few videos from each game that I really think deserve a view and have not already been mentioned.

 






These last two were taken off Youtube but here are the download links:

Ryosuke by Kiko Mia 

Immortal Technique by Lat3ksi

i posted download links for those in teamthfmc2016 thread in VIP
Oh, god. Saturday is tomorrow. Dont' make me do it.
Damn this thread is solid gold, should've checked it out earlier
I love you for linking Chief Dan Bro, one of my favs, and I think one of my first to laugh

i posted download links for those in teamthfmc2016 thread in VIP

I don't see it, do you mind posting it here for this guy?

Oh, god. Saturday is tomorrow. Dont' make me do it.

But you know you want to.

You missed 5 full years? That's around the time Detour 2, Wezlet's H3M1 and PoisonousSlinky's Final came out. I seriously doubt you haven't seen any of the ones I'm posting, but if you haven't you've missed a lot of good content. 

I'll get some of the more obvious watches out of the way first:



All of Phurion's best moments from Halo 3, packed into a neat little package. Vibrant and stylish if I had to describe it in 2 words.


Crazy fucking gameplay, and Puba's best editing to date. The second of Dutchy's three final montages (it really means nothing anymore does it?).


Actually a very recent release, but this is an instant classic. Dlongo hasn't done much of anything except save up for this one video, and his gameplay is some of the strongest you'll see. Ever. Zhestal can't be beat either; he is someone you probably don't know, but should get very caught up with. Best editor in the game imo.


Halo tricks taken to the absolute maximum, one of many great works from the tricking/jumping community, but it may very well be the best.


This has become a classic montage to look for when you want MLG gameplay from Halo 3. If you haven't seen it yet, you should have a great time with it.


It's not what Axilo and McGee wanted, but overlooking some of Fuzon's strange quirks; this is one of the happiest, most colorful experiences you'll have with Halo montages. It's a fantastic video, featuring one of THE BEST Halo 3 clips of all time. You'll know it when you see it.


Zhestal again, blowing us away with his style and elegance. He really does something to montages that can't be replicated properly; he has a very distinct style that he follows and you can see it in every one of his videos. Toastyame also brought some insane gameplay to the table, and it was a solid contender in the last competition we held.


Can't believe you might have missed this, but it came out less than 5 years ago. Atiemark is a master of 3D, but in this he also shows that he is a creative genius when it comes to all things editing wise. I almost overlooked it because it is a staple that can't be moved. 


This is very recent, but holy fuck, prepare to have your mind blown. What Trev does to Halo 3 is beyond anything you could imagine; he beats the system. He really just knocks it dead on the ground, and says "fuck your rules". Watch it.


If you want something other than Halo 3 (my bias is strong in this post), you should check this out. MLG gameplay from Halo: Reach, but Lethul & Formal, two pro's that are still competing to this day (even though Formal plays CoD now). I haven't watched it in a long time because of the length, but it's incredible how solid Muggsy and CJ's editing is all the way through. I can't speak on the gameplay, but it should also be very good throughout the entirety of the video.

(^I was going to put this in spoilers, but I can't be bothered to do it all again.^)
 

And here's a grab bag of goodness. There's just a lot of everything in here, but every single one of these videos deserve to be watched.

 
 

*Links all of Howard's projects over the past couple years except mine (butthurt)

No seriously everyone has posted some amazing content already and it's hard to find stuff that hasn't been shared already.  I will share some more underrated stuff I felt not many people have seen or just some of my personal favorites.

One of my favorite edits ever (Huge Scott Pilgrim Fan)

Very underrated montage that didn't get a lot of exposure

My boy Cheesecake's montage that dropped not to long ago so absolutely disgusting gameplay

Str0kd did a crazy job on this edit

And of course mine because #shamelessadvertising and Howard came in super clutch with being the one to actually finish the montage. P.S. this should have been entereted into the 2014 Movie Competition but Howard didn't want it to be :/

 

Damn this thread is solid gold, should've checked it out earlier

Honestly, this thread has turned into something great. Glad i could be a part of it.

i posted download links for those in teamthfmc2016 thread in VIP

I don't see it, do you mind posting it here for this guy?

Oh, god. Saturday is tomorrow. Dont' make me do it.

But you know you want to.

btw Bx, just search the video feature, thats why its here cuz youtube's search feature is a bitch

http://www.thehaloforum.com/videos/immortal-technique

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http://www.thehaloforum.com/videos/ryosuke