NFL Discussion Thread

the best ability is availability and guess who is NEVER available? ya boy sam bradford 

 

enfyte i want your input on this argument i had with someone on the jets forum yesterday. i've studied the top 4 QBs this year and have put in a lot of work into marcus mariota because he's a serious jets target and i seriously like what i see. i'd have no problem taking him at 6. but something that keeps bothering me is that people just assume he's an extremely intelligent QB because he's nice

some guy kept saying that marcus mariota is light years more intelligent in terms of football IQ compared to RG3 but I just didn't see how ANYONE can say that with confidence, yet i feel like most people say that. i found countless scouting reports on RG3 pre-draft that said he had an extremely high football IQ and made adjustments at the line and could read defenses, which i concurred with when i watched him 3 years. people don't understand that hindsight is 20/20 and that now it's easy to say that RG3 doesn't have a high football IQ, but what people said pre-draft about RG3 are the same they are saying about mariota. they both ran a spread offense and didn't have to make difficult reads. mariota never called a single play from the huddle he said once ont he rich eisen podcast and he didn't have to go through difficult reads

 

maybe i'm just frustrated over nothing and i do like mariota a lot, but i just don't understand how people can blindly say he's more intelligent than a lot of these QBs that have done the exact same stuff he has in college

You shouldn't really consider how smart he is as opposed to how willing he is to learn.  One thing you can't say about Mariota is that he isn't a hard worker and that he will take the time to learn whatever teams playbook he gets drafted to inside and out.  Jamarcus had all the talent in the world and no willingness to work to his full potential.  A person with a hard working attitude will be able to carve out a role no matter how bad they are, but in Mariota's case he will develop the ability to do a lot of these things because he won't stop trying until he gets it

 

Colts dropped T Rich. Does Frank Gore have another couple seasons in him?

 

i know how you feel tit

 

but don't count out a reunion. it could always happen cheeky

 

yeah. oh well. it definitely could happen. he loved it here, went to college 2 hours north, and has said he will always live in Dallas. I wouldn't count out a reunion at some point

the best ability is availability and guess who is NEVER available? ya boy sam bradford 

 

enfyte i want your input on this argument i had with someone on the jets forum yesterday. i've studied the top 4 QBs this year and have put in a lot of work into marcus mariota because he's a serious jets target and i seriously like what i see. i'd have no problem taking him at 6. but something that keeps bothering me is that people just assume he's an extremely intelligent QB because he's nice

some guy kept saying that marcus mariota is light years more intelligent in terms of football IQ compared to RG3 but I just didn't see how ANYONE can say that with confidence, yet i feel like most people say that. i found countless scouting reports on RG3 pre-draft that said he had an extremely high football IQ and made adjustments at the line and could read defenses, which i concurred with when i watched him 3 years. people don't understand that hindsight is 20/20 and that now it's easy to say that RG3 doesn't have a high football IQ, but what people said pre-draft about RG3 are the same they are saying about mariota. they both ran a spread offense and didn't have to make difficult reads. mariota never called a single play from the huddle he said once ont he rich eisen podcast and he didn't have to go through difficult reads

 

maybe i'm just frustrated over nothing and i do like mariota a lot, but i just don't understand how people can blindly say he's more intelligent than a lot of these QBs that have done the exact same stuff he has in college

You shouldn't really consider how smart he is as opposed to how willing he is to learn.  One thing you can't say about Mariota is that he isn't a hard worker and that he will take the time to learn whatever teams playbook he gets drafted to inside and out.  Jamarcus had all the talent in the world and no willingness to work to his full potential.  A person with a hard working attitude will be able to carve out a role no matter how bad they are, but in Mariota's case he will develop the ability to do a lot of these things because he won't stop trying until he gets it

 

and RG3 isn't like that? i just get sortof bothered sometimes because people can forget how great of a prospect he was coming out. just because you try hard doesn't mean you'll always get it 

 

RGIII wasn't nearly the worker he Mariota. Was. RGIII was a great prospect and I've had numerous discussions on reddit about why RGIII would easily be the #1 pick in any of the last 5 drafts besides 2012 because of Luck, so I am in no way saying Mariota is a better prospect. I will say that RGIII is not as hard working and dedicated to his craft and it has shown in the NFL. Of course a knee injury completely derailed him but a lot of his problem has also been a mental and maturity aspect that has gotten him in some trouble with the Redskins front office. You won't get any of that with Mariota. 
yea that is fair i guess, maybe i give RG3 too much credit for being a nice guy 

Colts dropped T Rich. Does Frank Gore have another couple seasons in him?

 

Idk how you can ever say he doesn't lol. It's crazy how durable he's been in his career, especially after what he's gone through. People have been saying he's done for about 5 years now. Also, 49ers got Bush, I don't think it's a good fit. But we'll see. It's definitely a good combo with Hyde and him. Curious too see how Kaep does under Chryst, I think Roman is a retard and we'll be better off without him. Hopefully he'll be able to help him Kaep out and play to his strengths. Like we were doing at first when he took over as a starter.
is this the 49ers worse nightmare? 
is this the 49ers worse nightmare? 
Yup. This has to be the worst off season for the 49ers, that I can remember at least. I can't really knock the guy for retiring, but it sucks as a fan. He could've been special.

12 wins just wait on it

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why do people like jalen collins, he stinks. kid has no technique. i understand you can teach it, but i mean come on. this guy isn't close to a day 1 prospect
I don't like him either but he's one of those guys that has skills the coaches look for and they think they can coach him up in everything else. Tall, long arms, fluid hips, etc. 
i'm just nervous now with CBs. you see a lot more of them not having a smooth transition to the pros. its extremely difficult to transition as a DB, but still i just see collins as one of those players that never "gets it"
I don't like Collins either, but I actually think CB is a position that can really be won with athleticism. You see a lot of corners who fizzle in year 1 only to suddenly "get it" in years 2 and 3 like Amukamara, Jimmy Smith, Dre Kirkpatrick, etc. 
yeah that's fair. i'm just praying dee milliner makes it man
He has injuries though so it's much tougher to gauge. I think he came on really strong at the end of 2013 and just had a big injury bug last year. 

oh yeah absolutely. i'm a big supporter of dee, but a lot of jets fans absolutely hate him and already consider him a bust. as a logicalfootball fan in general i know how difficult being a rookie DB is, especially in rex's system when he STILL kept him on an island as a rookie

what scares me though is his achillies injury. that injury is probably the hardest to come back from and dee really relies on his athleticism 

jeez, i just did a mock on the jets forum and for the most part people were cool with it, but man there is a loud majority of people that just can't fathom the idea of the jets passing on mariota 

i like mariota, but if cooper is sitting there at #6 i'd much rather have him. much higher ceiling and has the potential to be a top 5 WR in this league (at least in my eyes). i'm just no where close to being sold on mariota, yet some clowns have to state they think MARIOTA is a SAFER pick than cooper! my mind can't comprehend that. I see a large gap between Mariota and Winston and i'm not willing to have the jets sacrifice the next 5 years of their franchise with this pick 

People are dumb. The reason those fans want to take Mariota is the same reason the Vikings took Ponder, the Titans took Locker, etc. I'm not saying Mariota would be a huge reach like those players were, but sometimes you shouldn't just take the best QB just because you need one. Teams that do that tend to constantly be in the cellar. There is a reason why the browns have drafted QB's high in the draft for years and years and never gotten any results. Teams at the bottom should always just fill their roster with the best player they can and hope they eventually stumble into a QB. It honestly works better. 

that's exactly it. i understand having a great QB puts a team at a HUGE advantage, but there are still 10 other guys on offense and 11 other guys on defense. my philosophy (and it's been this way for a while) is just build up the team around the shitty QB so he couldn't possibly fail. I don't see how in Geno's 3rd season he's worse than Mariota would be in his rookie season (that's even if he played)  with Cooper, Marshall, Decker, Ivory, and Amaro. Also, the defense should be a legitimate top 5 one this season, which would take pressure off Geno or Fitzpatrick. I could see the Jets winning 10 games with either one depending on the contributions they get with their rookies 

I just hate how people shit on teams for trying to get better even though they don't have a franchise QB. I was listening to Colin Cowherd the day after the Jets signed Revis and he just said it was a dumb move because where are the Jets going with no QB. I mean come on, that doesn't mean you should stop trying to improve your team. The jets made it to back to back AFC championship games with MARK FUCKING SANCHEZ and the Ravens won a Super Bowl with TRENT DILFER

That guy's a tool. I used to think he was pretty funny on sports nation, but now that he has his own radio show he seems to just hate on everything. His opinions aren't THAT bad, he can make good points. But yah, he's kind of a douche now and I think he's full of himself.

enfyte i've never used reddit before but i've been spending some time on the nfl draft reddit and i've enjoyed it, there is some good stuff on there 

i know youre a mod and stuff which is pretty cool. i might join the sub reddit or whatever 

You should. It's really been bumping this off season even though I haven't been doing all the mod stuff I usually do. Whats your username? 

i think im dominick16. very original username lol

 

i just commented on that post about randy gregory smokin the weed. first post yay lol

on a serious note though i concur with you, there is like a 0% chance he falls out of the first round because of this. he might slip like 5 spots or something, but he won't drop out of the 1st round. although his answers in that interview were concerning, plenty of NFL draft prospects smoke weed

I wish everyone would jump off Brady dick like he's this God of a QB. He's good but if you gave peyton a goof team like Brady way earlier than he did with the Broncos, his success would be a lot greater

He's good but if you gave peyton a goof team like Brady way earlier than he did with the Broncos, his success would be a lot greater

what?

He's good but if you gave peyton a goof team like Brady way earlier than he did with the Broncos, his success would be a lot greater

what?

goof --> good, if that clears anything up. the "what?" may or may not still apply.

letroy and bj resigned for another year
Yeah goof was a typo for good. Thought you wouldve caught on to that. As for the rest of it... it's pretty straight forward

tom brady has had good teams to play with, but i dont think as good as peyton has had. having edgrin james, marvin harrison, reggie wayne for the colts, eric decker, julius thomas, demarius thomas, the multiple different running backs. peyton has had just as good, if not better, than tom brady his whole career

to say peyton has been at a disadvantage in his entire career opposed to tom brady is a cop out. hes a good quarter back, but not better than tom brady. 

i would say the broncos were a favorite to get back to the super bowl in the beginning of the year, people though that belichek and brady were going to be canned

The Patriots have been more solid throughout though. Putting less pressure on Brady, or any quarterback, makes the world of a difference and I don't think Peyton is good under pressure like that.
Peyton has had more talent in the past two years than Brady has ever had in his career. I love Peyton Manning and used to be all about his side of the argument but Brady has actually gone and done it over and over. I will always think Peyton is the more talented QB but Tom Brady is just a flat out better winner. 
You say in the last two years but that doesn't account for the 10 before that.
idk how you can argue this, the broncos might of had the best talent in the NFL last year

You say in the last two years but that doesn't account for the 10 before that.

I don't mention the other 10+ years because in my opinion those years can go either way besides 2007. Peyton and Brady have both had really bad teams and really good teams alike and they have both carried poor teams just as much. The difference is, whether the team was good or bad Brady has managed to come up with Super bowls and long postseason runs while Peyton has only been to two super bowls in his career. It's a team game and you can no argue that one person is more important than another but over this sample size Tom Brady has just been the more successful out of them and it has nothing to do with one team being "Radically" better than the other. Sorry. 

 

Edit: I also bring up those 2 years because they were the only two years where one of them has had a radically better team than the other. There is no reason why Peyton, if better than Brady, shouldn't have won a super bowl in either of the last 2 years. It makes no sense dude.