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This is contradicting itself, unless your saying that all muslims have the Quran memorized in their language, then part of it memorized an Arabian.
Still how can a 4 year old Muslim have even part of a book memorized? Unless you're not muslim until you can read, then I would completely understand how Muhammad was truley Muslim.

AND YOU STILL HAVN'T ANSWERED MY MAIN QUESTION. Are you afraid to because you know that it would make you god disgusting and unforgiving?
Are you satisfied with my answers?
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You know that the 5 pillars of islam were added after the original writing of the Quran to controll the masses. This has been done with all religion ever.
For another question, do you believe that the christian god is the same god you worship? And if you don't, why not?



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Have you yourself memorized the Quran, a part of it in Islamic form or completely read it in it's translated form?



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You know that the 5 pillars of islam were added after the original writing of the Quran to controll the masses. This has been done with all religion ever.
For another question, do you believe that the christian god is the same god you worship? And if you don't, why not?
Who told you that?, and how can you make assumptions on Islam when you have no proof and have not studied Islam. No it hasnt...lol. The five pillars are all mentioned in the Quran, and yes the Christian God is the same as the God in Islam. You may not know this, but as muslims we believe in the bible. We believe it was originally God's words. However, we believe that the bible was altered by man. However if you believe in 3 gods(the trinity) then that wouldnt be the same as Islam.
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Have you yourself memorized the Quran, a part of it in Islamic form or completely read it in it's translated form?
Yes, I have actually memorized the whole Quran in its original Arabic text. And there is no ISLAMIC form of the Quran. There are no VERSIONS of the Quran. There is only one original form of it(that is it in its Arabic text). There are TRANSLATIONS of the Quran, but we, as muslims believe that alot of the actual meaning and beauty of the Quran is lost when it is translated. I have read alot of it in its translated form. Surprisingly, even though I am Arab I do not understand most of the Quran because it is too formal for me. I only know Arabic slang.
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Look MarkedAchilles, you will find alot of information online that disproves the theory of evolution.

Yet, I am 100% sure that you will never find information disproving the Quran. Why? Because the Quran is God's words.

There is alot of evidence disproving the theory of evolution and the big bang theory,

I have not looked through all of this site's info but I felt it was pretty reliable. This site has a whole book disproving the theory of evolution and the big bang theory and explains why there IS a Creator(God).

http://evolution-facts.org/

here is something that stands out. "Evolutionary Scientists" admitting that evolution is a joke.

http://evolution-facts.org/introduct...volution_1.htm

What do you have to say to this Achilles, Hippo, Devil King, Cursed Lemon and Ressurection?

P.S. I am not trying to be harsh or trying to insult anyones faith, yet I felt I had to say something back to those who insulted my faith.
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It is of interest that, in spite of the delicate internal ratio balance within each of the four forces (gravitation, electromagnetism, and the weak and strong forces), those four forces have strengths which differ so greatly from one another that the strongest is ten thousand billion billion billion billion times more powerful than the weakest of them. Yet evolutionary theory requires that all four forces originally had to be the same in strength during and just after the Big Bang occurred!
We have observed the merging of atleast two of those forces. I don't remember if we've got the strong force into the mix, but we've definately observed the "electro-weak" force, a unification of Electromagnetism and the weak force.

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"Everywhere we look in the Universe, from the far flung galaxies to the deepest recesses of the atom, we encounter order — . We are presented with a curious question. If information and order always has a natural tendency to disappear [because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics], where did all the information that made the world such a special place come from originally? The Universe is like a clock slowly running down. How did it get wound up in the first place?"—*P. Davies, "Chance or Choice: !s the Universe an Accident" In New Scientist 80 (1978), p. 506.
It is a very interesting phenomena. Chaos, in some instances, seems to give rise to order, but upon further investigation, you always find the law of entropy to hold true.

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80 Years After Scopes Trial New Scientific Evidence Convinces Over 400 Scientists That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
Duh... Darwinian Evolution is indeed deficient. We came to that a LONG time ago and have since then made many improvements. We don't modify our data to fit our models, we modify our models to fit our data. I wish religion could be the same, but it is notorious for manipulation of fact.

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The Big Bang theory has been accepted by a majority of scientists today. It theorizes that a large quantity of nothing decided to pack tightly together,—and then explode outward into hydrogen and helium. This gas is said to have flowed outward through frictionless space ("frictionless," so the outflowing gas cannot stop or slow down) to eventually form stars, galaxies, planets, and moons. It all sounds so simple, just as you would find in a science fiction novel. And that is all it is.
The Big Bang does not say what happened before it. It does not deny a creator. In fact, I think it would be a lot more impressive for a world to be created that can follow elegant rules that can allow for things to be the way they are...

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The Big Bang is a theoretical extreme, just as is a black hole. It is easy to theorize that something is true, when it has never been seen and there is no definitive evidence that it exists or ever happened. But let us not mistake Disneyland theories for science.
After reading this, I gave up any remaining hope for the scientific truth the website claims to have. We've seen black holes. We've identified them. We can map out several.

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9 - There is not enough antimatter in the universe. This is a big problem for the theorists. The original Big Bang would have produced equal amounts of positive matter (matter) and negative matter (antimatter). But only small amounts of antimatter exist. There should be as much antimatter as matter—if the Big Bang was true.
Yes. We don't quite know why this is. We do, however, have theories.
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But assuming large zones of antimatter exist, there must be some boundary where antimatter atoms from the antimatter galaxies or stars will come into contact with normal atoms. In those regions a powerful flux of gamma rays would be produced. This has never been observed despite deployment of very sensitive instruments in space to detect them.

It is now thought that symmetry was broken in the early universe when charge and parity symmetry was violated (CP-violation). Standard Big Bang cosmology tells us that the universe initially contained equal amounts of matter and antimatter: however particles and antiparticles evolved slightly differently. It was found that a particular heavy unstable particle, which is its own antiparticle, decays slightly more often to positrons (e+) than to electrons (e-). How this accounts for the preponderance of matter over antimatter has not been completely explained. The Standard Model of particle physics does have a way of accommodating a difference between the evolution of matter and antimatter, but it falls short of explaining the net excess of matter in the universe by about 10 orders of magnitude.
We aren't quite there, but hey.... It's something. Pardon us fro not haveing unearthed all the secrets of the Universe (hehehe... I used unearthed too describe things way outside the scope of the earth... tehehehe)

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3 - The particles would maintain the same vector (speed and direction) forever. Assuming the particles were moving outward through totally empty space, there is no way they could change direction. They could not get together and begin circling one another.
We know of four fundamental forces, 3 of which we know can be formed into one, and gravity, which we believe can be. Perhaps if we get a bigger, more powerful particle accelerator, we can see that, too. Choose one, maybe all. There ya go. Attraction of particles.


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5 - HYDROGEN IN UNIVERSE—According to one theory of solar energy, hydrogen is constantly being converted into helium as stars shine. But hydrogen cannot be made by converting other elements into it. *Fred Hoyle, a leading astronomer, maintains that, if the universe were as old as Big Bang theorists contend, there should be little hydrogen in it. It would all have been transformed into helium by now. Yet stellar spectra reveal an abundance of hydrogen in the stars, therefore the universe must be youthful.
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Abundance of primordial elements

Main article: Big Bang nucleosynthesis

Using the Big Bang model it is possible to calculate the concentration of helium-4, helium-3, deuterium and lithium-7 in the universe as ratios to the amount of ordinary hydrogen, H. All the abundances depend on a single parameter, the ratio of photons to baryons. The ratios predicted (by mass, not by number) are about 0.25 for 4He/H, about 10-3 for 2H/H, about 10-4 for 3He/H and about 10-9 for 7Li/H.

The measured abundances all agree with those predicted from a single value of the baryon-to-photon ratio. The agreement is relatively poor for 7Li and 4He, the two elements for which the systematic uncertainties are least understood. This is considered strong evidence for the Big Bang, as the theory is the only known explanation for the relative abundances of light elements. Indeed there is no obvious reason outside of the Big Bang that, for example, the young universe (i.e. before star formation, as determined by studying matter essentially free of stellar nucleosynthesis products) should have more helium than deuterium or more deuterium than 3He, and in constant ratios, too.
So.... Who do you side with? Mr Black-Holes-Dont-Exist, or Mr. They-Do-And-Here-Is-The-Proof-References-And-How-To-Find-Them-Yourself?

I officially give up. I can not possibly refute everything on that site. Not because the site is right, but because, quite frankly, I don't have the time. It was a lot better than the arguement that the moon doesn't exist, but a lot less humorous, so I'll give it a 2 out of 10. I have never seen so much BS compiled into one source, except for IB extended essays. No offense to any of you that might be in the IB program
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We have observed the merging of atleast two of those forces. I don't remember if we've got the strong force into the mix, but we've definately observed the "electro-weak" force, a unification of Electromagnetism and the weak force.
Last I heard, three have been unified, and we're still waiting on gravity.

Good job wading through all the crap and refuting those websites, though. You did what I was too lazy to.
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You know that the 5 pillars of islam were added after the original writing of the Quran to controll the masses. This has been done with all religion ever.
For another question, do you believe that the christian god is the same god you worship? And if you don't, why not?
"added" to the Quran? I dont think you know what you are talking about because throughout history not a single word of the Quran has changed in anyway. Or added in this case.
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It is not like them to add to it. Nor will it happen


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